<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel> <title> Comments on: Setups in Bird Photography </title> <atom:link href="https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2014/11/18/setups-in-bird-photography/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /> <link>https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2014/11/18/setups-in-bird-photography/</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2014 09:50:17 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod> hourly </sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency> 1 </sy:updateFrequency> <generator>https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2</generator> <item> <title> By: Ingrid T </title> <link>https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2014/11/18/setups-in-bird-photography/#comment-98292</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Ingrid T]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2014 09:50:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/?p=27981#comment-98292</guid> <description><![CDATA[In reply to <a href="https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2014/11/18/setups-in-bird-photography/#comment-98181">Dan Gleason</a>. Dan, was this in the U.S. Depending on the species, that nest moving behavior was definitely illegal -- per the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. Ron, now that I've been photographing for enough years, I cringe to think what behaviors I might have learned were acceptable, were I tutored by those with looser ethics. I was fortunate that my wildlife education came from a wildlife hospital instead of a seminar, I suppose. But I remember hearing an interview with a pro wildlife photographer, about the time I was first starting out, and he talked about transporting deer carcasses he found along the roadside, to locations where he'd bait other animals in prettier settings -- among other acts I would now be loathe to consider. I imagine a lot of novice photographers look to these sources for advice in the way I gobbled up everything I could learn. So thank god for photographers like you who strike a balance against less upstanding behavior. That being said, I admit to having feelings different from yours about an image as beautiful as the one above. I'd hate for someone else's staging efforts to get in the way of anyone appreciating the striking photography you produce. In fact, I view it from an even more positive perspective -- that you achieved this without staging makes me hold this image in even higher esteem, rather than compare it to a staged photo. But again -- I know we've had this discussion at different times -- that's why disclosure ought to be the norm in wildlife photography, at bare minimum.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2014/11/18/setups-in-bird-photography/#comment-98181">Dan Gleason</a>.</p> <p>Dan, was this in the U.S. Depending on the species, that nest moving behavior was definitely illegal — per the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. Ron, now that I’ve been photographing for enough years, I cringe to think what behaviors I might have learned were acceptable, were I tutored by those with looser ethics. I was fortunate that my wildlife education came from a wildlife hospital instead of a seminar, I suppose. But I remember hearing an interview with a pro wildlife photographer, about the time I was first starting out, and he talked about transporting deer carcasses he found along the roadside, to locations where he’d bait other animals in prettier settings — among other acts I would now be loathe to consider. I imagine a lot of novice photographers look to these sources for advice in the way I gobbled up everything I could learn. So thank god for photographers like you who strike a balance against less upstanding behavior.</p> <p>That being said, I admit to having feelings different from yours about an image as beautiful as the one above. I’d hate for someone else’s staging efforts to get in the way of anyone appreciating the striking photography you produce. In fact, I view it from an even more positive perspective — that you achieved this without staging makes me hold this image in even higher esteem, rather than compare it to a staged photo. But again — I know we’ve had this discussion at different times — that’s why disclosure ought to be the norm in wildlife photography, at bare minimum.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Carol </title> <link>https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2014/11/18/setups-in-bird-photography/#comment-98224</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Carol]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2014 19:22:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/?p=27981#comment-98224</guid> <description><![CDATA[No 'set-up' flags for me - Just a really excellent photo of a little bird who stood still for a moment! ;)]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No ‘set-up’ flags for me – Just a really excellent photo of a little bird who stood still for a moment! 😉</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Pierre Cenerelli </title> <link>https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2014/11/18/setups-in-bird-photography/#comment-98202</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Pierre Cenerelli]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2014 05:06:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/?p=27981#comment-98202</guid> <description><![CDATA[Ron, I dare say your birder's soul is speaking here! I am keenly aware that you see yourself as a bird photographer and not a birder (for reasons I can easily imagine, having been on and off a keen birder -- and therefore around birders even keener than myself -- for over three decades), but your desire to place these birds in their natural surroundings in natural poses would make any birder proud. And most of us are interested by the natural lives of our subjects, not some artificial setup. So kudos to you and thanks for sharing your great photos with us! -Pierre]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, I dare say your birder’s soul is speaking here! I am keenly aware that you see yourself as a bird photographer and not a birder (for reasons I can easily imagine, having been on and off a keen birder — and therefore around birders even keener than myself — for over three decades), but your desire to place these birds in their natural surroundings in natural poses would make any birder proud. And most of us are interested by the natural lives of our subjects, not some artificial setup. So kudos to you and thanks for sharing your great photos with us! -Pierre</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Charlotte Norton </title> <link>https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2014/11/18/setups-in-bird-photography/#comment-98200</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Charlotte Norton]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:09:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/?p=27981#comment-98200</guid> <description><![CDATA[It's a lovely shot and I know what you're saying about setups. That doesn't mean I'm going to quit feeding my backyard birds and this year I planted some really tall zinnias by mistake and the hummers loved them. I'm going to plant them again next year and also some different varieties of milkweed since it's been 2 years since I've had any monarchs on mine. I miss all the stages of development in them and hope to get them back. So I guess this could be considered staging as well. Depends on your outlook. I ran into an American Goldfinch on some Russian Sage in a park this year and got some pics just as pretty as the staged pics. Was it staged because the park may have planted the sage to attract birds. I guess I don't really have an issue with it as long as it doesn't harm the birds. Charlotte]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s a lovely shot and I know what you’re saying about setups. That doesn’t mean I’m going to quit feeding my backyard birds and this year I planted some really tall zinnias by mistake and the hummers loved them. I’m going to plant them again next year and also some different varieties of milkweed since it’s been 2 years since I’ve had any monarchs on mine. I miss all the stages of development in them and hope to get them back. So I guess this could be considered staging as well. Depends on your outlook. I ran into an American Goldfinch on some Russian Sage in a park this year and got some pics just as pretty as the staged pics. Was it staged because the park may have planted the sage to attract birds. I guess I don’t really have an issue with it as long as it doesn’t harm the birds.<br /> Charlotte</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Ron Dudley </title> <link>https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2014/11/18/setups-in-bird-photography/#comment-98199</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Dudley]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2014 00:04:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/?p=27981#comment-98199</guid> <description><![CDATA[In reply to <a href="https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2014/11/18/setups-in-bird-photography/#comment-98191">Arwen</a>. Thank you, Arwen.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2014/11/18/setups-in-bird-photography/#comment-98191">Arwen</a>.</p> <p>Thank you, Arwen.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Ron Dudley </title> <link>https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2014/11/18/setups-in-bird-photography/#comment-98197</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Dudley]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 22:30:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/?p=27981#comment-98197</guid> <description><![CDATA[In reply to <a href="https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2014/11/18/setups-in-bird-photography/#comment-98196">Elephant's Child</a>. That clip is hard for me to watch too, Elephant's Child - especially since it's used to sell videos and recruit workshop participants who will only perpetuate the practice. "Different strokes" I guess but it's not for me...]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2014/11/18/setups-in-bird-photography/#comment-98196">Elephant’s Child</a>.</p> <p>That clip is hard for me to watch too, Elephant’s Child – especially since it’s used to sell videos and recruit workshop participants who will only perpetuate the practice. “Different strokes” I guess but it’s not for me…</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Elephant's Child </title> <link>https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2014/11/18/setups-in-bird-photography/#comment-98196</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Elephant's Child]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 21:28:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/?p=27981#comment-98196</guid> <description><![CDATA[I could only watch part of that clip. My hackles started to rise and I began to hiss and spit. In the interests of lowering my blood pressure I turned it off. I have a huge weakness for the natural. Artificial doesn't float my boat - in almost anything. Love that goldfinch and am slowly getting accustomed (though not resigned) to the fact that you are your own harshest critic. Which, since it pushes you on, is not entirely a bad thing. But please, while you are beating up on yourself, keep the other hand free to pat yourself on the back for the beauty and the education you give to us each day.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could only watch part of that clip. My hackles started to rise and I began to hiss and spit. In the interests of lowering my blood pressure I turned it off.<br /> I have a huge weakness for the natural. Artificial doesn’t float my boat – in almost anything.<br /> Love that goldfinch and am slowly getting accustomed (though not resigned) to the fact that you are your own harshest critic. Which, since it pushes you on, is not entirely a bad thing. But please, while you are beating up on yourself, keep the other hand free to pat yourself on the back for the beauty and the education you give to us each day.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Arwen </title> <link>https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2014/11/18/setups-in-bird-photography/#comment-98191</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Arwen]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 19:37:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/?p=27981#comment-98191</guid> <description><![CDATA[I love this photo. I understand why you don't, but think you should congratulate yourself on getting a shot naturally that others can't. :D]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this photo. I understand why you don’t, but think you should congratulate yourself on getting a shot naturally that others can’t. 😀</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Ron Dudley </title> <link>https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2014/11/18/setups-in-bird-photography/#comment-98188</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Dudley]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 18:18:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/?p=27981#comment-98188</guid> <description><![CDATA[In reply to <a href="https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2014/11/18/setups-in-bird-photography/#comment-98183">Susan Stone</a>. Susan, Believe it or not there's a large market for prints of setup photos. Most folks buy those types of images in ignorance of the circumstances they were taken. As I've said before, I believe that non-disclosure is dishonest and unethical.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2014/11/18/setups-in-bird-photography/#comment-98183">Susan Stone</a>.</p> <p>Susan, Believe it or not there’s a large market for prints of setup photos. Most folks buy those types of images in ignorance of the circumstances they were taken. As I’ve said before, I believe that non-disclosure is dishonest and unethical.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Ron Dudley </title> <link>https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2014/11/18/setups-in-bird-photography/#comment-98187</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Dudley]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 18:12:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/?p=27981#comment-98187</guid> <description><![CDATA[In reply to <a href="https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2014/11/18/setups-in-bird-photography/#comment-98181">Dan Gleason</a>. Dan, Similar to the unethical behavior you describe of moving nests is the despicable practice of removing leaves and branches from around the nest so that the photographer can get unobstructed photographs. Birds choose nest sites in the shade for good reason and when cover is removed, they cook. Sometimes literally... Thanks very much for the kind words.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2014/11/18/setups-in-bird-photography/#comment-98181">Dan Gleason</a>.</p> <p>Dan, Similar to the unethical behavior you describe of moving nests is the despicable practice of removing leaves and branches from around the nest so that the photographer can get unobstructed photographs. Birds choose nest sites in the shade for good reason and when cover is removed, they cook. Sometimes literally…</p> <p>Thanks very much for the kind words.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>